Embracing Curiosity and Transformation with Luea Ritter

INTRODUCTION

Welcome back to Community Resilience, a podcast created in collaboration with the Ecovillage Resilience 2.5 Degree Project, facilitated by the Global Ecovillage Network. I’m your host, Eva Goldfarb, inviting you to gather around the fire as we explore resilience, adaptation, and transformation in our time of deepening polycrisis. Today, I am thrilled to introduce Luea Ritter, a dynamic force for change.

Luea’s work is all about fostering long-lasting, transformative change by supporting people to share and learn together. She excels in creating safe spaces for dialogue and healthy confrontation, focusing on guiding and aligning processes for healthier structures. Luea invites experimentation at the cutting edge of collective potential and wisdom, weaving transformative change processes, creative practices, trauma, and healing work with leadership and organizational development.

As a craniosacral and trauma therapist, Luea integrates holistic and indigenous healing models. She is experienced in systemic constellation and understanding living systems, offering grounding amidst chaotic dynamics. Her regenerative living systems design perspective informs her approach across diverse sectors globally.

Committed to creating safe, conscious environments, Luea’s long-term action research focuses on collective sense-making and embodied practices. As co-founder and creative steward of collective transitions, she collaborates closely with other skilled individuals and organizations to explore new innovative pathways to strengthen community resilience. 

INTERVIEW

Eva: We are joined today by Luea. Luea, thank you so much for being here and taking the time to speak with us about resilience. Thank you for the invitation and I look forward to our conversation. I always love to let guests introduce themselves, so I’m hoping you can tell us a bit more about your background and how you came to be where you are in your career, in your community building, in this point of life. It’s a big question, if you can try to answer. 

Luea: I’m originally from Switzerland, grew up very close to the land and especially also the mountains and that has a very important imprint. I also grew up in a context, or at least in my family structure, where it was very normal to tend and bridge between the natural and the social world. When cows were, for example, ill, there was not just antibiotics, but there was pendling or checking with minerals and things like that. It was very normal, for me at least, but we didn’t speak about it, so there was a clear on it somehow. I had a very strange relationship to the society because I didn’t understand certain processes of why this is disconnected and why these processes have to go in such ways and how education functions. I was really questioning a lot of the times. Actually, GEN was a really important lighthouse for me when I was in my teenager years trying to figure out how society works and realizing it really doesn’t add up to my understanding, at least, of how we could live more connectedly together. I had this book, The Ecovillage Guide, or I don’t remember how it was called at that time, and I was so fascinated. I was always trying to understand how we better make sense of things and build relationships and also trying to understand why are things so… Already at that time when I grew up, that’s quite a long time now or at least some decades, why are things so fractured? I felt it sometimes really viscerally. I had a very strange search and doubting and living a bit more at the margins, let’s say, with this big hope if we live together, if we work with what is. I then became a craniosacral therapist and trauma therapist. I studied arts because I had the hope or the trust in art as a transformative power, which then led me to be a curator in the more experimental transdisciplinary scene until I realized with that hat on of a curator, even though I bring great topics into the mix and trying to bring in other ways of knowing and trying to how we are building relationships to our neighborhoods, how we take care of social issues, how we work with, you know, not only within the arts, but also with people from more science-oriented, more social-oriented people. I could still feel I’m a nice add-on with my work, but nothing really fundamentally got then tackled even by politicians being involved and people in power. And I was very disillusioned by that. So I had a hard spot in a way and also got fed up by having arts focus and at the same time a focus on building community with, at that time, my context and partner and a very dedication to the spiritual path or the more subtle, let’s say. And they were all in a way, I had networks there and there and there, but they, so I was at the junction, which then also led me to collective transitions. And so these days I feel my work is really, how do we co-weave again? And not to say we have to change it, but more like what can we enable as a dormant potential or things that may have lost sight of each other? Not that they’re lost in the sense of gone, but haven’t had any more the chance to build bridges between the synapses in societal weave and also our connection to the natural world, our connection to ourselves in first place, of course. And through my work with craniosacral, I know of the power of the system knowing its own wisdom and healing potential as an individual, which in this approach, you don’t do anything as a therapist. You’re just there to hold and so that system can see itself. And from there, it may give a little notch. And so in a way, I feel these days I was drawn then to make the systems are bigger systems, but I feel I’m still operating from a very similar place of what is there that hasn’t been recognised as valuable and important within the system itself. Yeah. And I have a big, I was informed by different indigenous healers and including also systemic constellation, which for me is very rooted, not only in Bert Hellinger’s work, but also in the Zulu. But it’s really about, there is not something wrong if something goes out of balance, but it’s the question of how can we see the symptoms as arrows and signals that below the surface, there is something has lost its connection or has forgotten or has been avoided. And it’s all our collective responsibility, not someone or out there to co-hold again space for this realignment. So that has a lot to do also with my inner work that I feel I have to do. So it’s part of my work to not just do the outer, but yeah, part of my work, I see also working on what is funnelling through me in order to work through these embodiments and these imprints that I surely also carry from Swiss society and being Western born, et cetera, with all its privileges. Yeah.

Sorry, that was a long one, but. 

Eva: Thank you for all the wisdom that came with it. One thing that did come up for me while you were speaking is you were talking about working in the art world and being frustrated that there weren’t any fundamental shifts happening. And I’m curious in your work since then, have you started to notice these fundamental shifts and how have they arisen? 

Luea: I guess because I’m now working with these more multi-stakeholder long-term processes and really weaving the different stakeholders that are part of the system, not together because sometimes it’s not possible, but like holding more that long-term aspect of things. I can feel that there are shifts that are maybe totally not obvious as a, you know, changing the symptoms or the outcomes, but the relationships start to shift and the quality of the relationship, especially. But I also recognise that what I aspired to as a curator, I thought I was just, okay, how can we do it in one or the other year? Now I also feel like a lot humbled throughout all my learning journey, which was my real education, I feel. Yeah, things take time. And if I can contribute with my own life, something that may come to the surface more visibly after I have left this earth, at least in this body. So there is also the time scales for me have shifted, I would say, because I’m clear to the people that I work on the relationships, the ones who are engaged and the ones who are in a way also inviting this kind of work, I feel it then actually sometimes doesn’t take so much to feel the shift rather than if you come out like, oh, you’re the curator and you do this great project. Of course, I was always embedded in it, but there wasn’t an invitation. So I think that also shifted. Now I’m only going if I’m invited by a part of that system. As a curator, of course, I was part of that system, either the area where I lived in or the city I was working in. But it still came from a very one sector view. And I think at that time, I didn’t have the skill how to create that invitation, grow that invitation before then more people would join. So I think my approach was also a bit more top down or, you know, like pressured into rather than now, I feel like I’m more aware of what it takes to create that environment that an encounter can take place, which I did in my art projects. But I do it in another level. I think that then these resistance to shifts are no longer so extreme, maybe.

Eva: Yeah, you said collective responsibility. I think this is a very nice definition of the shift, more individual society to yes, we really have a collective responsibility to look at our constellations, to look at how we are adapting and coming through change. Thank you. You mentioned in your introduction a bit of your work with collective transitions. You focus within collective transitions on building these collective capacities that are needed for shifting mindsets, beliefs and deeply ingrained patterns. And I’m wondering if you can share a bit more about these. What shifts have you been able to identify that really can shift our mindsets, beliefs and deeply ingrained patterns? 

Luea: So collective transition was born out of this question in this crisis that I shared before with the art world. But then how do we do it collectively? I can do my own and you can do your own work and X, Y, Z can do their own. But I realized or saw again and again and then realized that that doesn’t add up to this. And I almost felt like in the collective body. So if we start to understand us, including the beyond human, of course, it’s given for me. If we don’t understand us as a collective body, then of course, I don’t know how my arm is moving and how the leg is going. And it’s kind of discombobulated. So and also, we don’t know which muscles do we need to train more because as we know from whatever sports or musicians, you have to train your fingers and legs and everything to stay agile and present in your art or artistry, whatever it is. And so what I was recognizing together also with my collaborator, Nancy, it was like, how do we create spaces where we first of all get to know this sense we are part of an organism? And then how do we train these muscles? And how do we stay in the inquiry? So I think a lot of that is also, I come with questions, I don’t come with answers. I want to sit with the questions with others together and then find our way, like Vilke beautifully said to the young poet, one day maybe you will live into the answer, almost like surprisingly. So back to your question, I think for me it is how to shift starts with being in the question and being in that curiosity and that awe of not knowing and being ready to surrender in a way to that not knowing or that uncertainty also and kind of learning how to navigate in complexity, which means I have buddies with me, I’m held in a community, I feel relating to the place where I am. I listen to cognitive, but also other ways of knowing as an orientation and knowing it never ends. It will keep on going and it’s just more the question, how am I ready to keep on, yeah, not only training, but maintaining my muscles and these fine things. So talking about training the muscles for being in community, being present with the place you are, some of these other aspects you mentioned, do you have any concrete exercises or tools that people can use to shift their beliefs or that are effective in helping this training happen? I wouldn’t say shift beliefs, that because I think that’s something once I feel more relating and related to bigger, then that’s disrupting patterns maybe. Yeah, I mean, one thing is systemic constellation and there’s a field of others as well, but into system sensing, so where I can really not only think in systems, which I think in the West at least you’re very good, but how can I reactivate my innate knowing, some would call it also intuitive knowing or felt sense, or there are multiple words out there for it, forced person knowing, etc. But where I connect with multiple ways to see and connect with a certain given issue. So for example, I have a conflict with someone and I don’t really understand what happened or why this is now happening. I could just lay it out in a system sensing exercise to at least listen to the different aspects from another place and that in itself would maybe enlarge my awareness of things, through that my compassion of things, through that my also understanding, oh, in this situation, I may actually step more back than coming in with my view or my thoughts. And I think this navigating what do I think is important versus what wants to happen is for me, that’s what I keep training in all these exercises. I can’t give it to you right now here in this podcast, because it would need or it would go beyond there. But I think these kinds of exercises to listen beyond what I think and beyond what I bring forth from my previous experiences and always again, what is important now in this very context versus how it was being done in the past or how it was helpful for another context. So always this again, being in a learner position where, ah, if I drop that for a moment, not to forget my wisdom, of course, but drop my assumptions for a moment, what else would then come? And I mean, talking about exercises, hearing different people about the same issue and inviting unlikely allies. What is your perspective? And really like even the enemies, so-called whatever, or the conflicting parties, tell me more. Again, it comes back to this curiosity. That’s for me an exercise I try to train and always know that there’s surely more to it than what I can even grasp or even see, but also not, of course, doubting them constantly myself, which would be also sad. How has this grown awareness contributed to resilience, both maybe in your work and also in the different groups you are working with, but just kind of relating back to this topic of resilience, which has brought us all together, what you see as the interlinks? So from my understanding or how I relate to the word resilience, it’s really that sense of being not only, you know, resistant against something and strong enough, but really vital to stay flexible, agile, adaptive, open, welcoming, and also ready in a way, like ready to respond rather than react. So I think this has, from that end, understanding resilience in that way, what I see is that more patience with things that are difficult, through that more breath for the long haul, and especially more relational acknowledgement of what else has played into a certain situation. I may reach back centuries even, like, you know, from my trauma background, I very much believe that there’s always a personal layer and intergenerational layer and surely collective stuff that we are informed by, no matter if I now officially belong to a group that has gone through trauma potential events, but I’m part of a fabric, no matter where I was born, that is informed of these trauma responses. And so I feel in the teams and in the organisations that I’ve worked with, and also in our community of practice, we can be more okay with what is rather than having to jump to solutions or rather having to fix and fight, which I think is a very difficult pattern of a lot of socially change-driven people and organisations. But even just the fact of recognising, okay, this may be going back much further than we ever thought, and I’m okay with not being everything and everyone that can do it right now, but surfacing what is. And I think for me, from this family constellation, systemic constellation, that’s a huge thing. Everything that is excluded, even in thought of a system, will scream to be reintegrated. And from the moment it is recognised and acknowledged, at least the charge of it is starting to be released. And then there’s more energy and more resources available to work with what can be done right now, being it forgiveness work, reconciliation work, or actually building a water tank. So yeah, that’s what I witness, which then for me has to do with being resilient, not only for what is now, but also acknowledging how I’m informed and part of a lineage that reaches back into. 

Eva: That is so rich, and I feel I’ve derailed myself a bit, because now I really don’t want to go on to the next question, which is coming back to the resilience communities of practice. And one of the aspects of the project was measuring resilience or measuring the success of the project. And I’m curious, in your application of constellation work, of trauma therapy, of different art and group dynamics, have you seen indicators that mark and measure this transition, this disruption of patterns, this journey towards resilience? 

Luea: That’s a good question, indicators, because that’s actually one of my big, together with also others, I could give you indicators of being more curious, staying open to answers or solutions, feeling okay with navigating in complex things, feeling connected to a bigger whole than only just either my family or my community or having more relationship with the natural world, etc. But I think what you’re also asking, or at least that’s what I’m hearing, is how do we articulate what we find, which is so highly complex and multilayered and subtle, often, that goes often unnoticed, why an organization thrives and another not, even they may have the same funding or so, or why big organizations with big dreams still seem to be discombobulated and misaligned. And for me, that’s actually very much these days, together with how do we collectively transition, but as in a way, a more focused question is how do we build coherence in social fields? My experience is if something is, and coherence I see as a dynamic state, not something that is fixed. If coherence is there within small groups, even, there’s a whole other level of an attractor field even created. But with that research that I am on, I need indicators. And that’s very difficult, because in the typical science, that would maybe not be exactly what we can measure in the typical way. And then it’s also the question of the measurement method. So actually, you touch upon something, I have no answer. And I struggle also with, because certain things are so obvious for me, but then I realize, oh, that’s not always for everyone. And then how do we talk about that? And how do we make it visible? And through the visibility comes validation, also legitimacy, which often for certain things that are less visible, there’s less validation, which then again, you know, certain things are less nurtured than others. So yeah, it’s, it actually touches a part that trouble me also, sometimes, because we are, we, I mean, in the West, we are so used to a certain way of measuring and key performance index and methods to do evaluation that sometimes are often can’t capture the richness that really happens, not only within individuals, but also, and that can’t be right away tracked from year one to two within a funding screen, because it’s maybe year 10 to 20. I love for that Paul Lederach, the late Paul Lederach, who was a scientist and did so really great work. He once said, I’m not taking any, no mandate or no work out there. If I’m not getting at least 10 years to do my work. And that was for me such a relief. And I heard it because, yeah, also coming from a humbleness and not think we can play golf. And yet we have this divine spark in us, of course. It’s humbleness. And also, you mentioned the beginning of our interview, this adjustment to patience. And I think these are two strong indicators, maybe measurable, at least within our own observations of how we’ve come to begin disrupting, to begin shifting towards resilience.

Eva: You spoke about building coherence in social fields. And I find this such an interesting theme. And I’m very curious what this has looked like from you, what challenges you have had with trying to build coherence in social fields and maybe also how this relates to resilience if you see a direct link. 

Luea: It definitely connects directly to resilience and especially also how we have been understanding resilience in this project. On one hand, the social ecological resilience with that together is the personal interpersonal resilience. And from an understanding that they’re not either or seeing that they are impending and informing and interrelating with each other. So I come from an understanding that clearly grew and I’ve found now having more language and also seeing it more easier being resonating with others than maybe 20 years ago is that acknowledgement that what is inside is outside and what is outside is inside. So whatever I need is a mirror of myself, which can, you know, whatever spiritual lens we want to put on, we know for a long, long time. But I think especially in the West through all these divides, there is a clear sense of separation and being different then. And of course, for the ones of us who know, Ho’oponopono and all these things, it’s nothing new. It’s so deeply old that it almost feels like embarrassing that we have to remember it. So from that understanding, if I come into a field, and there are also these stories of the rainmaker, for example, that Jung refers to, where it’s not so much about what can be done, that rain comes back, but how do I look inside of me, what has gone out of balance, that rain not coming or rain to be coming too much, would be a sign of an imbalance that also I can find within myself.

And if I’m working on that part that I have agency of and responsibility of, then that has a ripple effect into the field I’m in, as much as my imbalance or my disconnect has a ripple into. So if I understand myself as an antenna that constantly sends and receives all of it, all the whole spectrum, then I do also have another responsibility. But we also have a responsibility as circles and communities and groups of people, being project holders, teams that lead a network, whatever it is. And I feel I’ve experienced when groups take the time to come into their coherence, where everyone is dedicated to find that sweet spot of being somewhere in a dynamic balance and dance in a way, where falling and stumbling is part of it, but where the connection is so strong that you can co-hold after a while a field that is bigger than this circle. I specifically experienced that with the Nile churns that I co-founded, that has also some connection to Jen, where we went very slow in the beginning, and it is a huge endeavour. But the level of coherence and then also what got attracted through that of goodness in a way, I would really say had to do that we didn’t know, we stayed present. And we also worked through our shadows, including the collective stuff that is part of this. For example, me as a white person working in the Nile Basin, how dare I am? I was the only white person, but still, that’s also represented. And not to say it’s only my stuff or that’s only collective, but saying all of what is showing up can be co-held with others. So that’s something that for me is part of this coherence. And I was inspired by this beautiful quote by Ilya Grigoshin. I mean, I’m now quoting not totally correct, but little islands of coherence have the capacity to shift the whole system into a higher order. And that is really for me, an inquiry of, and then again, the capacities that we need to even be present while I’m maybe with my nervous system totally occupied by a conflict that I just had with my partner. How do I refine that? Not with excluding that reality, but including it even more, including my fears, including my insecurity, including our not knowing how to do that as a group. And I feel the stronger this relational bond with all there is gets, and the more we relate to each other and stay present and voice things when they’re there and work with it. Work with all there is, not as like that’s good to deal with and that’s bad to deal with, but like, wow, this is juicy stuff to make something juicy out of. The more that the ability comes in that I would call coherence, the more than actually the next level of, yeah, it’s going back in a way for it is what I said before with the craniosacral aspect of, then there is a new fluidity in the system where the system knows what it needs and not me as a team member or as a whatever in my function is. And then things like we would call them serendipities and synchronicities or coincidences start to unfold that we are like, how? And it doesn’t matter who did it. That’s beyond important. To address the challenges of coherence, I hear we stay present, we stay tuned into this collective field and allow space for serendipities to arise. And if it doesn’t, it’s also okay. You know, like also this now, oh, now we have the magic because then I’m already attached again to an outcome. Oh, let’s do some magic. No. Yeah. I think it has also a lot to do with detaching from expectation, how something should look like versus what wants to happen. Knowing this, every system has smaller B knows its own healing and healthy expressions. Even that may look different than I think it would be the best solution for everyone. I mean, the word coherence is more circulate these days, which makes me very happy, but we are in total state of relearning these capacities to flow with what is and being that not only including and excluding mindset, but that capacity to embrace. 

Eva: In this knowing of how young we are in this journey, I personally really struggle with staying calm and presence, knowing how much and how quickly we need to adapt in the coming years. So maybe we start shifting our conversation in that direction, looking to this very uncertain future with significant climate changes. Do you see any qualities or practices that we as individuals and communities need to develop or really can work on to speed up this growing up? So to call it. 

Luea: So I’m not talking about the concrete things that we can do in terms of water retention areas and all this, but more about these finer, more subtle muscles. I mean, honestly, if I don’t have a daily practice and I, if I don’t take care of it, I get wobbly very easily. I do also know how, when I perceive it, how to align back quite quickly these days, because I feel like I’m now a bit more trained to eat these muscles, but the personal practices for me, unquestionable. And it’s not negotiable like, because I’m so often informed by everything. And then to be clear, what is now mine to do? Where have I really a level of responsibility and where am I just a witness? Because otherwise I would burn out or I would pretend I’m something else than a man. So knowing myself as you know, it’s also known. I think it’s the question, where do I have spaces where I can practice? Because all these stuff is out there is, wouldn’t say in educational systems anymore, unfortunately, unless you go back to alternative forms, et cetera. But this reconnecting with oneself and building a group of people, I can be in this learning and also being in zones that are confusing and like, how do we then build that container that I know? I said yes to committing to that group, for example, or that practice. And not in a rigorous, in a way that I have a discipline, but not with a punishment like, oh, I didn’t do my practice today. Oh, bad me. So I think it has to do with releasing these double binds and these polarities of what is good and bad. When I feel stuff coming up that I reach out for help. I, for example, have a few things currently running in my life that are really tough for me and bring up stuff that I don’t like. So I reach out rather than thinking I have to all do it by myself. Even that shift from the lonely wolves to giving someone else permission to actually support me is a great gift. So yeah, that personal practice and then a collective hygiene also like an energetic hygiene, both for myself, what belongs here in this room and what doesn’t belong in my room, clearing if I feel stressed, knowing how to do that, use all these practices.

And I don’t want to even name them because I would be incomplete in the list, but also practice that together with others in a community of practice, what we did with this project, which was so powerful. And it sounds so simple and it’s so profound, like recognizing oneself through the lens of someone else who has a whole different life is huge because suddenly my horizon expands without even me having known that would be possible. So also that exposing outside of the bubble, I think is another thing that, okay, that’s a stress for you. I hear you. Wow. I didn’t even know that this is a problem at your part of the world. So this kind of, I think coming back to the quality, sorry, I made a little loop, but reaching out to parts of the system that I’m not in contact with just because it’s not my reality, but hearing these stories, being in connection, building relationships, because we are in this together, no matter if I now have very little rain or if someone else has too much rain. So seeing how these things are connected, orienting, having people that I can fully rely on. And I’m committed to also being reliable. And I think place-based solutions are at the end that what is needed, but then how are these place-based solutions connected with each other? And how are we learning across the learning that emerged in one place isn’t an isolated or doesn’t travel anywhere else? Because I think now it’s like all hands on deck across, you know, I have another opinion across, I have another worldview across, I have another religion, whatever. I mean, I think this is for me the most important. And even within the social change movement or however we call it, there’s so many wonderful methods. If you pretend one is the solution or yeah, I mean, only one practice space and not seeing the value added from another practice space. Like I think these kinds of metanetworks that many people already speak since years, but how is it then again, brought into practice? I think that’s for me really the needed when we talk about personal interpersonal resilience, that at least we can co-hold the intensity and the voltage that runs through our system, that our systems are not so trained to receive 2000 watts. We are maybe made for 500 or 1000, not made, sorry, trained or educated conditions. So sometimes I feel like how do I and we together expand the capacity of the conduits we are so that whatever it is that needs to run through and needs to be ventiled out or exploding out can be at least held in a safe enough container. 

Eva: This is also, you brought a lot of dualities, but this is one polarity that I struggled to really envision. Yes. How we can increase our capacity so quickly and to such a scale. And at the same time, I noticed in my own life, when situations arise that I’m unprepared for, they build resilience anyway. And I just somehow grow really rapidly and maybe it’s not comfortable. Maybe it’s not a held container, but the outcome is still there. 

Luea: Exactly. Yes. Beautifully said. Yeah. Reminds me of this. If I lean in wholeheartedly and like I surrender and we can do that even together, I think there’s so much more than we think can happen. It doesn’t take long. If I know where I have my place in my agency and my level of responsibility, and then we know that of each other and together, I have stopped honestly to tackle the big things in terms of like, oh, let’s look how the climate crisis could be solved. But always like with an anchor. 

Eva: Yes. How can we solve the climate crisis, but from a particular place, from a particular context, because each context is so unique. So how could we even dare to say there’s one solution that fits all? One solution may be good for certain places, or we’ll tackle a few levels of the issue, but we need other ones then who amplify that through bringing in other aspects such as healing work or social dynamics or whatever. And it has to be anchored in my understanding of place and context. I think with localism also comes a lot of not relief quite yet, but okay, I can make a difference here where I am now. I can make a difference on this land, on my nearby community, on my neighborhood. I can reach out to my neighbors. For me, at least brings a lot of comfort.

Luea: Yeah, totally. And if I know then I’m part of a global network, for example, that’s the strength of GEN. Then our smaller efforts on specific places then add up to so much that only can be done through collective efforts. So if I feel embedded, then I also don’t, I personally feel also like what you said, this relief. If I do my part really well and I’m really well connected with the bigger things or the other things, the movements and networks across networks also, then I see in my system, then I again feel hopeful and even trusting us as humanity to be able to do it. 

Eva: We leave our conversation on a bit of hope. This is good. Before we part ways today, I want to open up and see if there’s anything you have really wanted to talk about that we didn’t get to, or any parting words of wisdom you have for our listeners. 

Luea: Not something that I feel I’ve said so much now. Of course, I also acknowledge there’s each situation so unique. So what I’ve shared here are a few things that I learned and I keep learning. What kind of having the readiness to get my hands dirty and even my heart’s vulnerable, I think is what kept me being okay with not knowing anymore, being at the end of almost what I think is my powers. And then like in yoga, in the asanas, oh, I take another breath and oh, I can stretch more even. There are thoughts. There’s so much more in us than what we often are taught by, conditioned by, or think of ourselves. I trust in that. 

Eva: Me too. Thank you very much for joining us today. It was a pleasure. 

Luea: Likewise.

OUTRODUCTION

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